That was only the beginning ... Ken demanded that I allow my children to live with some other people within his congregation and
actually convinced my daughter that she would be better off and that I was an unfit mom. This created extreme strain on our
relationship for years to come. Most interesting of all was that Ken also demanded that I turn over all of my finances to him to
manage, stating that I obviously was in no mental condition to control my children's trust fund, left to them by their Dad upon his
death. I refused to comply despite his "word from God" and was further denounced publicly and privately by him for rebelling against
God.

He was certainly right about one thing -- my mental condition was precarious at best. But HE was not making anything better!! After
an attempted suicide, I was hospitalized for three weeks for a "breakdown" and "chronic depression". It was during this time that I got
"real" counseling and learned that what Ken did with my "confidential" information was not only unethical but also illegal. A lawyer
helped me keep from being fired by Southwestern.

I subsequently left both Ken's church and Southwestern College on my own as both were handling my mistakes in a punitive and
manipulative manner, rather than with the compassion and love Jesus would have displayed to me during this incredibly difficult time
in my life. From this experience I learned to rely on God rather than people in times of trouble. He has never let me down or quit loving
me, regardless of what otherwise "well-meaning" people have said, especially those at Ken's church.

I have since gotten my own Master's Degree in Counseling and served as a Counselor on the Navajo Reservation for seven years.
Speciallizing in counseling sexually abused children I know that Ken's methods are misguided and can lead to "false memories" of
sexual abuse that did not happen.

I have also taught seminars on "Churches that Abuse" as Dean of Women and Professor at Arizona College of the Bible during my
six years there. I never named Ken's church in those seminars or chose to seek legal restitution for Ken's actions but I do hope that
you can stop him from hurting others in the same way.

I know that Pablo and Christina Morales were almost destroyed by his attempts to "annul" their marriage and destroy their ministries
in Mexico. Perhaps someone has their current address so they can add their story to mine. Bud and Irma Gillespie were also hurt
badly.

I have no hatred for Ken or even the people who supported his actions but I do hope he can be stopped before more people are
harmed by the "toxic shame" he inflicts. As a counselor I see his private "pipeline to God" as just rationale for completely controlling
the lives of those in his small congregation WITHOUT real credibility ... a scary reminder of Jim Jones and his total control which led
to mass suicide ... certainly NOT in the will of God!

Please let me know if there is ANYTHING more I can do. Although it was a remarkably shameful time for me, I would be willing to
share with anyone to help them discover God's remarkable LOVE & FORGIVENESS.

Love to you all in Christ,

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Testimony 2 - A Letter to praying friends after visiting PSCC

Dear people I have never been so thankful for,

I feel compelled to write you after one of the most bizarre, hurtful, terrible, strangely hopeful, twilight zone times of my entire life. My
purpose in sharing this with you is to give you another perspective of what my friends are in the middle of so that the whole body can
comfort and pray for them.

Last night I joined them in a visit to their children's church. The visit happened after ______ had gotten permission from the pastor and
entire elder board to come. The purpose of the visit was to further the restoration of their family. The plan was to simply go quietly,
greet and meet anyone who would come to us, listen to the message, and quietly leave.

The service started out normal enough with some singing. As people started to sit down I felt it was weird because there wasn't
anyone sitting anywhere near us. That should have been a clue of what we were in for. After the singing there were several
announcements. Finally there was one more announcement...and that's when if it was a movie the music would have gotten scary.

I did not know it at the time, but this person was the brother of Ken who drove up from Tucson to deliver a message to my friends. He
walked up to the microphone and that is when the unbelievable started. For the next hour and a half my friends were scolded,
mocked, accused, questioned, belittled, from what seemed to be everyone there. This was as close to a lynch mob as I have ever
been in. Nothing ______ could have said short of sobbing hysterically, on his hands and knees, begging forgiveness for every
conceivable wrong they have pinned on him would have satisfied them. I was proud to sit beside my friends. _____ never lost his
temper. He tried to respond to them, but it was about 60 angry people vs. 1. No matter what he said someone would twist what he
said or change the topic. The time ended with my friends being asked not to come back, and then we were asked to leave so they
could finish the service.

On the positive side I think my friends heavenly bank account received a rather large deposit from the Ruler of Heaven and Earth. We
did get to see my friends kids, ______ did get to tell them how much they loved them. I think those who belong to this church who
thought ______ was a monster got to see that he was just a father wanting to have his kids back.

Right now I feel like the enemy thinks he has just hit a grand slam, just like he did when the Israelites were captives in Egypt, or
when Goliath had the Israelites shaken in their boots, or when Shadrack, Meshack and Abednego were thrown into the fire, or when
Jesus died on the cross. But I believe with all my being that the Lord is fighting for us. The battle is impossible for us, that is the
point. Brothers and Sisters I urge you to do battle on your knees! So be STRONG AND COURAGEOUS FOR THE LORD IS WITH
US! Do not doubt or be discouraged for God is for us, He is good, He never fails, He is still on the throne.

_____ and _______ need our love and support...family.

Screaming at the Darkness, "OUR GOD REIGNS",

Dr. Darrell Kilcup
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Testmony 3

.... Ken started giving me counseling and he asked if I had ever been abused physically or sexually. Before I knew it, he started
training me to be an intern counselor and I was included in staff meetings. Ken basically told me not to tell people that they had been
abused in anyway, but said that if I thought they had, then I should keep hitting them with questions and scenarios that might make
them start to think that they may have been abused. I watched him do a lot of progressive memory counseling, where he had people
close their eyes and go into a deep meditation. Then he had them go into different rooms in their head and would try to get people to
remember things. When he felt that the people were feeling safe with him he would start to ask questions that constantly led to
questions about their sexual back ground. These questions would be about what positions they used for sex or concerning oral sex
or whatever he could think of to ask.

When counseling married women he would suggest that woman separate from their husbands if they did not listen to or agree with
Ken. It seemed as if he would go after the women and get their trust and then go after the husbands. But if the husband didn't submit
to him there would be trouble in the marriage.

Ken would often separate people from families as well if they did not go to his church or had something negative to say about the
church. He would make them look as if they had tons of issues or problems. Eventually church members were not to associate with
them. People who left or disagreed were judged as being in denial or all messed up first by Ken and then by his followers.

Our staff meetings were gossip sessions where there would sometimes be jokes about people's issues or problems. If anyone would
question Ken or disagree with him, Ken would have one of the staff basically attack that person verbally in front of everyone, and each
one of us would be there to protect the other. The same applied in group sessions, where if anyone would be going against the grain
we would expose it and we would do the same to that person as well.

One other thing that I noticed was that Ken would get pain pills from whoever had them, even teenagers. He always complained about
being in some type of physical pain and called it his persecution and that was the reason for needing all the prescription drugs he got
from people.

I found myself becoming very judgmental and superior to other Christian people who did not go to our church, Paradise Springs. There
was a change in my thinking that made me into what Ken wanted me to be and I started to act like him…..
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Testimony 4

...Because I had a boy friend and had experimented with sex in my early teens, Ken told me that I had a sex demon in me. He said
that this must have been caused by molestation at an early age. From that point on Ken continually tried to convince me that I had
been sexually abused by my uncles and/or dad. After I insisted that I had never been we talked about ways in which my dad had
disappointed me and he said that I needed to confront my dad for not being what he should have been. I did that and my dad asked
me for forgiveness and I forgave him. But then Ken told me afterward that I should not have done that because I was not ready. He
said that I was lacking the love of my father and that he was an angry man that could not show me love. I had already forgiven my dad
so did not understand why all this was being discussed. Ken said that he could see the pain in my eyes and knew better than I did,
that I was not ready.

Though I now have a good relationship with my parents. The rest of our family is still torn apart by Ken and his church ... please
understand that there are families at risk, children at risk of being misled. Please don't let this continue, you will be saving families.
This is not Christ's church, this is a cult. The belief these people share is that Ken has all the answers, that it's not God whom we
shold seek, but to first seek Ken's approval, then the churches approval and then to take it to God. As we all know, this is far from
the truth. I plan to continue to pray for the people under Ken's leadership that someday they can experience the pure pleaure of being
a believer, that they may one day feel that they can be themselves in Christ and not what Ken decides they are.

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Testimony 5

... Years later I went back to Ken for counseling (sometime in 1990 to maybe 1992 - I'm not sure of the dates) ... in counseling this
time Ken asked me more than once if my dad hadn't molested me as well. And the wierd thing was I KNEW my dad hadn't, but - just
Ken saying that made me start to wonder and dig in my mind - and I kind of doubted my memory for a while and thought maybe my
dad had molested me, just because the thought had been planted I kept wondering. Thankfully, I knew my dad hadn't - But I also had
to kind of confirm it in my mind knowing that my dad was a work-a-holic and was hardly ever home in my early childhood - he had no
opportunity.

I'm not sure if this helps - but I know that when you trust and believe in someone and that someone suggests sinereos it is easy to
believe that person and not trust your own mind. Ken didn't really get anywhere with me because I was pretty adament that my dad
hadn't molested me - but if I hadn't been so firm - he might have pushed it and I might have started believing he had.

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Testimony 6

"I attended Paradise Springs Community Church from ______ – ______. During that time I received counseling from Pastor Ken
Hodgeson. Similar to other people’s experience, the counseling consisted of prayer, journal writing, and discussions about my past
and present. There were no scriptures given or talked about. I felt nothing ever got resolved. I usually felt worse rather than better after
counseling! I continued counseling with Pastor Ken in hopes that issues would be worked through but to no avail. During the latter
part of my counseling we discussed my wakening at night as a child. He told me it was very unusual for a child of my age to be so
frightened. I recalled a time in my childhood where I would wake up at night very frightened and think I saw a figure of a man in my
doorway. Pastor Ken continually asked me who this person was but I had no idea. On one of my last counseling sessions he told me
the image in the doorway was my dad. He asked me many questions about my relationship with my father and continued to pursue
the idea that my dad had done something he shouldn’t have. I found this very confusing. I even found myself entertaining the idea but
could not come up with any evidence to support it. It was at this time I decided to end my counseling with Ken and we eventually left
the church as well."

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Testimony 7

Account of Ken's counseling

I was living in California at the time and _______, my oldest daughter asked me to come for 2 weeks to visit her and while I was
there, she made an appointment with her pastor, which happened to be Ken Hodgeson, for one hour counseling. I thought, what can
1 hour do? But I went anyway. After we introduced ourselves and got somewhat acquainted with each other, the next on the agenda
was to ask me if I had ever been sexually abused. I was taken aback because usually a counselor will get into that agenda after a
relationship has been established, if he/she thinks there is some justification for that. I said no and he would not let that drop. He
kept pursuing the issue and asked me to think back really far and try really hard to remember if anything happened. I came up with a
negative but started doubting myself because he was so pointed about it. By the time we were finished, I was ready to start journaling
and hopefully come up with something because, according to him, that is the essence of all my problems today. After that, I went to
several counselors and asked them if they thought I had been sexually abused anytime in my childhood. None of them thought so,
even with some new methods to dredge up old stuff.

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Testimony 8

March 17, 2005

Our daughter _____ ______has not spoken to us for over two years now. The last time she called she said not to try to communicate
with her in any way. Then her husband who is also a follower of Ken called us and repeated these wishes emphatically.

How will all of this psychological damage be undone to our loved ones now after this long?

She of course remarried a member of this group who also follows and has been brain washed by Ken, as our grand children by
marriage are being now!

She now claims that she was sexually abused as a child.

We'll miss her and pray each day for her and her husband and children.

How can this damage to her be undone? Who will pay for it and when? How can he be allowed to devastate all of these lives? When
will we get our daughter and family back? We are now old. We need and love our daughter very much, our hearts bleed at the thought
of what has happened to her.

Why does she feel that this group is the only family she needs?

Why do they demand so much of their earnings or else?

Why have so many people left this group (cult)?

She also reiterated the same words to her brother and his wife and 4 nieces and nephews who can't understand why their aunt
doesn't want to see them. And her Aunt ______ and Uncle _______, misses her and is devastated by her treatment of our family,
they were very close knit.

She wants only people within PSCC to know and communicate with, in every aspect of life; personal, private, fun, sickness, health,
children, home life and in general.

She and I used to be so close that we were like sisters always enjoying each other and sharing everything in life.

2 Timothy 2:23-26 "Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels. A slave of the Lord should not quarrel,
but should be gentle with everyone, able to teach, tolerant, correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them
repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth, and that they may return to their senses out of the devil's snare, where they are
entrapped by him, for his will."

Thanks you for Your Help,
Mr. & Mrs. ______ _______

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Testimony 9

April 1, 2005

Dear Friends,
Regarding the information you are gathering on Ken Hodgeson and Paradise Springs Community Church I would like to say the
following: I have known Ken for the past 10 years. Ken was part of our board and traveled and ministered with me in many parts of the
world. When I confronted him on the following issues he resigned from our board. I had become very concerned about Ken and his
church through the following circumstances.

1) My son ____ who was being counseled by Ken began to struggle spiritually and with depression in a way that caused us great
concern. His attitude toward my wife and I as well as our whole family changed under Ken's influence. He began to dishonor us for
the first time in his life and my entire family became very concerned for his spiritual and mental well being. ( By God's infinite grace
he was able to leave Phoenix and moved back home with us. He is now doing very well and realizes that he was being deceived by
Ken and his church.)

2) My second son went to Phoenix to live with his brother. However he has not seen through the deception and continues to trust Ken
completely. The attitude of Ken and most of the church is to encourage young people not to honor their parents. My son has come to
trust Ken who he hardly knows more than his own family. My brother in law and the president of a prominent evangelical seminary
asked my son why he would trust Ken more than his own father.His answer was, "I have asked myself the same question and I don't
know why". There is obviously a deception and blindness that has no basis in logic. We have seen a steady decline in his spiritual
life since he has been part of this church.

3) Ken has made accusations against me that have no basis in truth. I have confronted Ken about this sin of "slander" but he views
his discernment's as above critique even when there is no proof or evidence for his accusations.

4) We recruited a young woman whose mother was a missionary in Guatemala to work with us when we were living in Guatemala.
Ken began counseling her several years ago and without ever meeting her mother, Ken characterized her as evil. He also counseled
this woman not to have any contact with her family. Her mother, a friend of ours, has been heartbroken over this situation. I have also
confronted Ken on this situation but he only justifies his actions.

I have no bitterness or anger in my heart against Ken. I pray for him regularly and hope that he will repent and make things right with
those he has hurt. I hope that the larger body of Christ will be able to speak truth into his life, and that he will place himself under
godly accountability. My prayer is that spiritual men will be able to restore Ken with a spirit of humility and that his church might also
be delivered from the deception they are under and repent of their sin.

Update: My second son and his friend who were both attending PSCC have now seen through the deception and have moved back to
live with their parents. Praise the Lord with us!

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Testimonies 10-12 (taken from interviews with past members of PSCC)

Testimony from Mr. and Mrs. _______. Mrs. ______ was counseled by Ken and as a result of her "recovered memories" publically
accused her father of childhood sexual abuse destroying his life. Mr. ____ insisted that his wife no longer see Ken. Over time
Mrs._____ realized that her memories were not true and retracted her accusations. Mr._____wants nothing to do with Ken and PSCC
as he does not want to relive the nightmare.

Testimony from Mr. _____ who has been disillusioned in the Christian life and church experience because of his experience at
PSCC.

Testimony from Mr. & Mrs. ______ who would rather completely forget their awful experience at PSCC and "get on with life", having
to pick up the pieces of their own family's life.

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Testimony 13

2 - 28 - 2005

No matter how sure I am that this needs to be written and have known for quite some time now, I am still reluctant to do it. In doing
this I have very mixed emotions and have come to the conclusion that Ken has had and still has a hold on my life which is seemingly
impossible to break. In the years that I had contact with him through church and personally I became dependent on him for guidance
and teaching to an extent that he controlled basically every part of my life….

I think when PSCC first started it seemed to me to be a very humble beginning and I felt that Ken's heart was right to be a man of
God that could help a lot of people through his teaching. After the church was organized and started to develop Ken started to do
counseling on heavier basis and all of a sudden started calling himself a crisis counselor. It was at that time that I started to be
counseled by Ken on a regular basis and when I think back now I realize that's when my life started to fall apart.

Ken convinced me that I came from a very evil family background and that I should either terminate contact with any of my family
outside of this church or limit it to where it couldn't cause any more damage to me. He tried to do a memory recovery deal on me for
a while but when he tried to get me to picture myself at some point in my life when I felt really alone I couldn't get there. One
stipulation he put on me was that it had to be when I was a kid. I'm not sure why but now that I look back he was trying to find me at
a more vulnerable time in my life where he could help steer my memories as to what had happened.

I grew up in a very legalistic home that was heavy on discipline and my mother dished out the majority of the punishment most of
which was done with a belt. Ken knew some stories about my family through someone else but some of the things he told about did
not line up with the way I remembered it at all. When I disagreed he would tell me that I was not being honest as to what really
happened….

Over the years I spent in his church I watched and even participated in the breakup of marriages and parent children relationships
under the guise of doing what Ken was being guided by God to do through prayer and the Bible. There always seemed to be an
abundance of judgment, gossip and finally excommunication from anyone still at that church. We as a group were told that whoever
had left was way out in left field, following Satan or was rebelling against Ken and God. ..

With parents and child relationships it was his standard practice to instruct the children to disassociate themselves from their parents
and family due to whatever may have happened in the past. Reconciliation did not seem to be a part of the vocabulary used by Ken
unless it was to get people in church to repent and reconcile themselves with God. The other important thing that was missing was
love. If there had been true love taught, how could there be so many destroyed families, lives and people stemming from an
association with Ken?

I operated my life out of fear, I put Ken on a pedestal above God, and he accepted that position. I let him into my life to the extent
that he even controlled where I worked. When I wanted out of the job I was in he said that it was God's will that I stay. In my
marriage, he tried to separate me from my wife upon hearing half of a story about what had happened in an argument we had. He
advised my wife to leave me. To keep us together I had to promise Ken that I would trust him completely and share everything that
was happening in our home with him. It was at this time that my wife and I started to question what was happening in the church
under Ken's leadership. We both disagreed with the way people were shunned and ignored if they were having difficulties in their lives
or were having questions regarding Ken and his leadership. My wife also told me that she didn't want to share about our time spent
together with Ken as he would twist things around and it would hurt what we were building together.

We finally quit attending Ken's church because we finally realized how much destruction we were seeing and how the church had
turned away from what the Bible describes a church to be. PSCC had turned into a cult. Ken became the ultimate authority. When he
appointed elders it was without the knowledge of any other people. He would beat us up with the word of God. I finally ended up in a
place where I felt complete hopelessness and I lost any desire to follow God or go to church or even try to do what the Bible
instructs.

In the process of leaving I told Ken that we were checking out some other churches because we felt that our time at church there
should end because I felt that I needed more than we were receiving there. He finally told us that we had done everything right in the
way we were leaving and he would handle telling the church that we were leaving . "Don't worry? Everything is cool," were his final
words to us.

I later found out through someone who was still attending that he opened the midweek service up for discussion about us. Basically
the whole time was devoted to accusations, judgment, gossip and basic dragging us through the mud. Ken presided over this whole
meeting and from what I understand the only thing he said about us was to avoid us. If anyone accidentally stumbled into us they
were to be very careful and on guard because we weren't safe.

In the years since we have left I have hardly seen anyone who still attends there. When I have seen them they try to avoid or ignore
me. When someone from outside of the church has asked any of them for my phone number, their response has been that they don't
think we want to talk to anyone from the past there.

My perception of Ken's ministry after years of experiencing it first hand and speaking to others who have left, or were asked to leave,
or got kicked out for their lack of faith and trust in God (Ken?) is that it is destructive. Ken appears to be a man who has become
arrogant and has usurped God's authority to use his own words to destroy what God has instructed us to love and nurture. We are to
be good stewards. Does that mean to Ken's standards? Is Ken's church the one and only church of God? Are they the only true
Christians? That's what Ken teaches. If so Jesus shouldn't need much time to prepare a place for those that truly follow him because
there is only about 100 to 150 people.

I still have loved ones going to PSCC that have entrenched themselves there and are unwilling to talk about what is going on. There
are other people there that I really care about who are also unwilling to see anything other than what they are told to see. These
people need something to shake them up. They need to hear a voice other than Ken's. There is plenty of destruction in the world
without the help of pastors like Ken and churches like PSCC.

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Testimony 14

Ken told me that unless I brought Christ into all of my past hurts and issues I would never be healed. He tried to make more of my
issues than were really there, I believe because he wanted me to be "really sick" so he could "fix" me. Yes, I had some real issues
but he tried to get me to dredge up and visualize (basically re-live) past events so I could "let Christ in".

The big problem with this is that he would bring up so called "memories" and then not be available for counseling for the next month
or two. I began having nightmares associated with these memories (some were not really memories but bad dreams of things that
could have, but never really happened.)

Ken went as far as saying that I had "split personalities" and that I needed to write/journal from each personality. I never did because I
didn't have different personas. He saw my lack of compliance with his diagnosis as distrust and resisting him.

During this time a couple that I was having a Bible study with advised me not to get counseling from Ken any more. I am so thankful
that I listened.

Ken tried to convince me that I should have little if any contact with my mother and brother saying that they had allowed me to be
abused when I was young. I had been abused but it was not their fault. I am thankful that I didn't listen to Ken because my mother
has now become a believer through our relationship.

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Testimony 15

From: Chris Grimm
Date: 06/17/05 19:18:58
To: overcomers@psccsg.org
Subject: my testimony


its weird because i was probably the closest to the Hodgeson family and actually got to see how they were as a family more than
anyone. i joined in the beginning of high school and got out a few years after and while during my time i honestly have to say during
my time in the church i stayed away from the popular evils of childhood such as drinking, partying, and sexual relations. so dont get
me wrong when i say my stay wasn't a complete loss. but i will agree with this website and say that even though i was a worldly
good kid, i developed a extreme anger towards my parents for not following my churches views on religion. now i use the word
extreme because its honestly how deep my anger was towards them. i would not look them in their faces and the word love rarely
escaped my lips. i remember being asked by members of the body if i had been sexually abused and being asked to remember any
time where it could have happened. i remember searching my soul for anything that could have been construde as sexual misconduct
and using vague memories as reasons to hate my parents. it took about a year after i got out to finally reconnect with my parents and
i honestly do not remember why i hated them so much. while i will agree that it was his way or the high way, it supposed to be
somewhat that way in any church. but his demands to cut off relations with those that refused to listen to our gospel was always a bit
creepy to me. what i also found creepy was always his way to turn his sicknesses into unholy attacks on his body. i personally
always thought he used his stories about demonic counsilling as a younger man to bring fear into the hearts of his church. almost to
say this is what could happen if you are not following me. his stories of having guns held to his head and blood being smeared on his
body always left me with a strange feeling. i felt mostly for his kids because they took on not only his outlook but also feared what
their father told them. i mean i understand preparing his kids for the harsh reality of being a family high up in the body, but so much
that they would fear every noise and loathe the darkness. its an unhealithy way to live. i will go on any record saying that my time
with PSCC church made me feel cultlike in my actions and thoughts. i mean what is up with that church and their obscessions with
knives???

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Testimony 16

In the mid 90s I invited a friend of mine to start attending PSCC. After a few months I suggested that she go to Ken for counseling as
she and her husband where having some problems and she was in her 4th marriage. Being a new believer she wanted to be sure that
this marriage would last. I had never been to Ken for counseling personally but heard people in the church saying that he had done a
lot or counseling for church members. She started going to Ken but after 3 or 4 meetings with him she came to me and said that she
was really getting uncomfortable with his counseling. She shared that she had told Ken that after her last failed marriage she became
very promiscuous for a time and had been with lots of men. When she told Ken that he said she needed to tell him about each
encounter and give him vivid details of each sex act. I told her that it did not sound right to me either but suggested that she not stop
going as she must have misunderstood. She did go back for two more counseling sessions but said that she had not misunderstood
as Ken would not let go of the idea because he said is was necessary for healing. He wanted her to describe every thing she did with
each man in detail.

She quit going to see Ken and quit attending PSCC as well. We are still friends and she is still married. Even though it has been over
10 years since she counseled with Ken, she still feels embarrassed and degraded when she thinks of a pastor asking her to tell him
such things.